Sunday, September 17, 2006

An amazing Sea Horse picture...
Sorry the new of late has been too depressing for thought provoking blogs.


Blogger Stace said...

Did you see the article about Johnny H wanting to set a test prior to granting Australian citizenship? Testing immigrants' understanding of "Australian values". What about testing Johnny's understanding of multiculturalism or tolerance or basic common sense? Now that's depressing!

11:22 PM  
Blogger lee said...

I think what johnny said is right to some extent - even his Muslim advisors agree. I noticed that he said that they should have a knowledge of the english language and be willing to integrate while not losing their own identity. If someone wants to come out here and then separate themselves and not learn the language, why come in the first place? Sorry if what i just wrote sounds argumentative, stace, but just having a discussion :).

4:57 AM  
Blogger Aidan said...

Knowlege of the english language and basic litery skill i couldnt agree more, as long as those who truly need asylum are not effected by the decision. We are talking about people who have sold everything they own, fleeing from persecution in their home lands, and then we give them the cold shoulder becuse they dont know the language or apreciate "Australian Values".

Can someone please explain to me Australian Values... I used to know once but the last few years have shaken those thoughts.. It used to be about getting along with our neighbours (now it is get along with the neighbours as long as they are not muslims), A fair go for all, but howards IR laws have destroyed that one. It used to be about not worshiping authority but our current relationship and johny basking in W's reflected light is pathetic. Also the current detention of "Jihad Jack" illegally detained indefinately without charge.

I guess now you know why i am posting pictures of Sea horses....

Thanks for the thought provoking comments.

2:36 PM  
Blogger lee said...

This is making me think - I live in an area where there are no Muslims -a country town. Makes me stop and think as to how I would feel if a Muslim family lived next door? Never thought about it before.

4:30 PM  
Blogger Within Without said...

Hey, Aidan, I sympathize...and agree.

It's interesting seeing you Aussies talk amongst yourselves about immigration laws and the English language and such.

I'm just quietly tuning in because here in Canada, it's a lot of the same issues...

6:09 PM  
Blogger Stace said...

Lee - I grew up in a country town, with a Greek family and a Chinese family, each of whom ran cafes. Talk about cliched. So it was rather a shock moving to the city at age 17 and realising black people exist outside of TV. But it really doesn't make much difference: you study with people from other races and cultures, you work with them, and realise they're just people. I probably do have Muslims living next door, I wouldn't know and it doesn't bother me.

6:23 PM  
Blogger Aidan said...

Within: Our country is going down hill in a hurry. We were once a country proud of how well multicultralism worked. WE had differences but mostly got along. Now we are starting to get Right wing religious groups in government. WE are seeing a turn against what made this country great.

We are seeing illegal actions (anuling same sex mariage, indefinate detention of children, indefinate detention without conviction) justified by fear. THe government and the media in the country continue to fuel it, and play dumb when race riots (cronulla) break out.

Lee: there is a big world out there, something you will learn is that people are people. Muslims, chinese, greeks every race wakes up and worries about the same stuff. JObs, kids, school.... people are not that different.

7:58 PM  
Blogger Within Without said...

Hi again Aidan...

I fear we are starting to become the same way here in Canada...

We have a right-wing minority government led by some moron who wants to abolish gun control and who is sucking Bush's non-existent dick every chance he gets.

Most recently, there was a Syrian guy who was completely exonerated after being deported back home, where he was tortured, etc.

It turned out the RCMP (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) had provided false accusatory info to the U.S., and so they trumped up some big "international terrorist" motive on this guy.

He's now been completely cleared by a Canadian court of any wrongdoing and the judge has ordered that he be compensated financially for all the crap he was put through.

Hopefully all this right-wing crap is just temporary. Canada and Australia have always been among the world's most progressive and respected countries. Let's hope it returns to that.

6:29 PM  
Blogger Within Without said...

Aidan, you rascal!

All of a sudden some lovely woman named Stace started appearing on my blog, and I find out, on her blog, that you're marrying the lucky lass in November!

I already wished the two of you the best on Stace's blog, but my best wishes are extended to you both here.

Like I said to Stace, we want pictures!!!!

7:48 PM  
Blogger Aidan said...

Within: firstly thanks for the good wishes. November 25th is the big day. Honey moon in south africa monitoring baboons for a few weeks.

As for the right wing crap i think it is here to stay, the general public dont want progressive governments we like be afraid, we like being the victor(as a race), i want a government with a hard line on terrorism, drugs, crime, asylum seekers. Essentially bully those who cant defend themselves. As long as we have the media we have in this country the problem will always be the same.

9:34 PM  

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